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05 January 2009 @ 06:58 pm
Bale-Wire Clamp Jars  

I'm new to this community, just joined today. I've been a food storage nut for years, but only this year have really begun to get into canning as well.

So my question is this:

I bought some of the clamp jars today with the intention of making refrigerator pickles in them. Now I'm not sure I want to use them for this, and would instead prefer to use them to can "regular" pickles. Is this safe? And if so, what is the best procedure for doing so? Would it be better to pressure can my pickles, or still use a water bath?

The jars are basically the same as in the following link, though I bought them elsewhere: 

Elana: blue jellydomestinatrix on January 6th, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
That style of jar is no longer considered safe for canning. Jars intended to undergo processing need to be made of a different grade of glass than either jars intended for cold storage or one-time use jars like commercial canned goods come in, so there's a good chance that the ones you bought wouldn't hold up to being boiled. Wherever you got them, they should be fine (and attractive) for refrigerator pickles.

If you do pick up some regular mason jars with two-piece "dome" lids, pickles don't require pressure canning. If you follow a good recipe, such as one of the many great ones in the Ball Blue Book, they'll be acidic enough to be safely water bath canned.
Seidhrseidhr on January 6th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
Wonderful, thanks! I've got many, many of the regular Ball jars. Some I've used water bath style for jams, preserves, marmalade and pickles and others pressure canned meat sauce, chili, soups, etc.

I'm glad to know these are good for refrigerator pickles but not canned ones. Thanks again!
Anne Keckleranne_keckler on January 6th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
I'd recommend you join pantry and ask your question there. You will find experienced canners who don't always adhere to the USDA standards (which, btw, are not necessarily the standard around the world). They often know more about what they are doing than just regurgitating whatever is in the official USDA literature.

I would think that a lot depends on how long you intend to store the pickles, and under what conditions. Pickling, in and of itself, was invented for the preservation of food. It is the high salt content that preserves the cucumbers, rather than the heating and sealing of jars. Pickles were often made and stored in barrels, long before the advent of canning.

Seidhrseidhr on January 6th, 2009 03:37 am (UTC)
Thanks, Anne. I think I'm just going to go with my original plan of doing refrigerator pickles. I found a good recipe for the gardeniera mix I was wanting to make.

Thanks again!
linnylu03 on March 26th, 2009 08:41 pm (UTC)
bale wire canning jars
I found a good recipe for the gardeniera mix I was wanting to make
I would love to have the recipe that you are going to use. thanks
Seidhrseidhr on March 27th, 2009 02:21 am (UTC)
Re: bale wire canning jars
I ended up making up my own recipe for it, but here it is:

linnylu03 on March 28th, 2009 04:06 pm (UTC)
Re: bale wire canning jars
thanks for the recipe.
Laramsretro on January 6th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
As far as I know, the type of jar you linked was never intended for canning. When people talk about wire-bale canning jars, they usually mean these:

There is an article here about why the wire bale jars are not considered safe any longer.
Seidhrseidhr on January 6th, 2009 03:38 am (UTC)
Gotcha, and thanks. I'm just going to stick to my original plan instead of trying to branch out with a potential unsafe jar. It's not like I don't have multitudes of "proper" canning jars anyway.
Marty Greenemartygreene on January 6th, 2009 05:06 am (UTC)
this is what I was going to say as well.
linnylu03 on March 26th, 2009 09:24 pm (UTC)
wire-bale canning jars
Although most of the type of wire-bale jars she purchased are only intended for storage, there are these types of wire-bale jars that are currently being made for canning. If anyone is interested they are available at www.village.com
linnylu03 on March 26th, 2009 09:25 pm (UTC)
Re: wire-bale canning jars
ooops, sorry. that website is www.villagekitchen.com
(Anonymous) on August 19th, 2012 06:04 pm (UTC)
I am looking for the ball glass top canning jars, does anyone know where I can find them?
(Anonymous) on August 21st, 2012 04:27 pm (UTC)
where do you get the seals for the bail type jars?